tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post9030481257091474769..comments2024-02-28T18:29:41.120-08:00Comments on Not of General Interest: Okay, I get it: you don't like cursive handwritingundinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05589384016564587214noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-75596354081725553832021-10-07T12:56:01.966-07:002021-10-07T12:56:01.966-07:00thanks for making the point that handwritting and ...thanks for making the point that handwritting and cursive are not the same thing. cursive is but one of many forms of handwriting, and I find it to be an exceptionally slow, exceptionally illegible, and exceptionally difficult form that was developed just to look more pompous. no study or fact backs up the benefits of cursive as opposed to handwriting generally; if all we need is handwriting and any form of it will do, it makes sense to teach the simplest, fastest, easiest and most legible form, print. my objection is not to cursive per say, but to mandatory cursive. Not everything should be required. There are many things I think people should be allowed to do, but I would oppose requiring people to do. That list includes many things I personally choose to do, and many I personally choose not to do. The reason for this is because I believe in freedom. If you want to mandate something you better have a compelling reason to do so, and also demonstrate how the mandate is essential in some way. there are things that are and should be desire dependent, those who want them should have them, but no other people should. to disagree with that is to accept the principle underlying totalitarianism. Never forget that when you put something in the elementary school curriculum you are in fact using government to mandate that everyone do it, regardless of if it benefits them, or if they even can, or if it actively harms them. My opinions on quite a few questions change solely because of that fact, and yours should as well. both the historical documents and beauty arguments can be refuted in more detail, but the character limit prevents me from doing them justice. i agree that status symbols are not great, but if your solution to it is forcing everyone to master a pointless, difficult and arcane skill that the elite know, then you are creating larger problems then the ones you solved. I say DEATH TO MANDATORY CURSIVE, BUT LONG LIVE CURSIVE AS AN ELECTIVE!N. Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11336217024022167832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-28512505821962554292016-09-08T20:39:06.191-07:002016-09-08T20:39:06.191-07:00nicoleandmaggie--I predict that in a few years, so...nicoleandmaggie--I predict that in a few years, someone (besides me) will figure out that it's a class marker and pitch a humongous fit to get it back in the curriculum. <br /><br />Bardiac--it is beautiful! One of the things that went through my Twitter stream the other day was a manuscript of a speech written by Queen Elizabeth I, and it was gorgeous as well as entirely readable. <br /><br />xykademqz--good point. Maybe it's time for an overhaul--an international form of cursive that combines the best of all the nations? I can dream. undinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05589384016564587214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-60066480425952475092016-09-07T19:47:54.221-07:002016-09-07T19:47:54.221-07:00I don't really have a horse in this race, but ...I don't really have a horse in this race, but it seems silly not to teach it. Having dealt with it does help people read it, and yes handwriting of various sorts is still used in many places. And being able to write is very useful, and I notice I get rusty at it myself by typing all the time.<br /><br />Another thing I don't understand, by the way, is trigger warnings. I've always warned students about strong content, and my professors warned me, but one wasn't excused from dealing with it (although was allowed to excuse self from really graphic violence on film, etc.). I have not figured out why this came up as a controversy now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-68547032303244166262016-08-23T20:37:16.552-07:002016-08-23T20:37:16.552-07:00I think people are unaware how different cursive i...I think people are unaware how different cursive is between nations. For instance, there are many (Latin) characters that are written differently in many European languages than they are in "modern American cursive" (so it says in my kids' materials). I was quite shocked at the writing of A, H, L, M, N, S, Z, etc., when I saw my eldest kid learn it. I would argue that cursive is not a helpful tool in globalization by any stretch. <br /><br />When I went to school, all essays had to be turned in in cursive. What I use now is some combination of print and cursive, optimized by me for maximal speed and not for beauty. Many people end up with something like that that they use daily. <br />I have had a couple of students who do take notes in cursive and for some it's been legible, for others not so much. Seriously, one kid took all his lab notes in cursive, and while it looks nice, it's really difficult to decipher. <br /><br />I can tell you that my Eldest uses cursive only to sign his name on things. He takes notes in print. I don't think my Middle Boy (entering 4th grade) even had it in school, or at least not very seriously. <br /><br />xykademiqzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18306861394466282929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-58039808543175526002016-08-23T09:25:39.254-07:002016-08-23T09:25:39.254-07:00Since *not* many people Since *not* many people Nicoleandmaggiehttp://nicoleandmaggie.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-32294708251382965262016-08-23T06:50:33.876-07:002016-08-23T06:50:33.876-07:00I want students to be comfortable taking notes by ...I want students to be comfortable taking notes by hand, because that's been shown to contribute to learning in all sorts of ways.<br /><br />I rarely use cursive (I can print about as fast), and I've learned to read a couple older scripts (secretary, for example). I think scripts change, and people who want to learn to read older ones can do so, and that's fine.<br /><br />But your point about the class marker is really important.<br /><br />But, oh, a beautiful italic hand is such a thing of beauty!Bardiachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11846065504793800266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-30223668779131918872016-08-22T13:58:07.805-07:002016-08-22T13:58:07.805-07:00p.s. That #4 excuse is used a lot with math. Mat...p.s. That #4 excuse is used a lot with math. Math is still plenty useful. More useful, perhaps, since many people learn as much as they could.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-35986272875949827182016-08-22T13:56:48.574-07:002016-08-22T13:56:48.574-07:00Yup, definitely a class marker. My son learned it...Yup, definitely a class marker. My son learned it at private school.<br /><br />Personally I do think cursive is faster for taking notes. I print anything I want someone else to be able to read, but I use cursive when I'm trying to be fast. But I type faster than I write in either case, so maybe that use of cursive will go the way of short-hand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com