tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post5610966128264776708..comments2024-02-28T18:29:41.120-08:00Comments on Not of General Interest: Nobody knows anythingundinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05589384016564587214noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-29328697544457014512009-02-14T13:50:00.000-08:002009-02-14T13:50:00.000-08:00"Well, one of the things I tell history students i..."Well, one of the things I tell history students is that they can satisfy their desire to learn and do history without going to grad school--they can attend public lectures, work at a local museum/historical society, read a lot of books--and ask them whether that might be enough."<BR/><BR/>This is fine if they just want history as an interest or hobby, but not if they want to be scholars or researchers. Autodidacts are, with the few exceptions that prove the rule, generally insufferable, unrigorous, and not as well informed as they believe themselves to be.Professor Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04909063513731044826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-34309688444995803272009-02-14T13:47:00.000-08:002009-02-14T13:47:00.000-08:00Well it just proves I was right when I was 17. I w...Well it just proves I was right when I was 17. I wanted a B.A. in forestry, then an M.A. in environmental engineering and a Ph.D. in agricultural economics. The concept was to get into a position to be able to push for green agriculture, fixing the world food situation, conserving or not destroying water resources, combating desertification, etc. <BR/><BR/>The family freaked out because it was science and science departments eat up the money "our" departments - humanities - also deserve. I was going to go and work for the other side, and I was going to do it before even studying the rise of western civilization. And I was going to dirty my hands with money.<BR/><BR/>So I ended up majoring in my hobbies, Comparative Literature and Linguistics, and doing research in those, which I don't mind since of course all research is fun. But the people in Ag Econ get to travel as much or more, and more interestingly, than the lit people do, and this is something my family, who freaked out when I proposed that career path, did not realize ... they warned me it would mean I could never travel again.<BR/><BR/>I still want that degree, and it is surely too late, but it's good to know at least that I was right.Professor Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04909063513731044826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-73160041979937256812009-02-10T13:57:00.000-08:002009-02-10T13:57:00.000-08:00Undine and commenters, thanks for this. Just to pi...Undine and commenters, thanks for this. Just to pick up a couple of threads from many, we don't get a lot of grad school ambition around here, and other than project calm confidence that grad school is available to any student who thinks hard and works smart, I don't do much to encourage that ambition. <BR/><BR/>We also talk some in our history department about attracting more undergrad majors, but I'm not sure why. The ones with meteechart passion for the field will find us, as will the ones with a clear career path in mind. The others I'm doing no favors, because I don't have any better answers about what to do with a B.A. in History or Literature than Undine.<BR/><BR/>As for that meteechart passion, my observation is that it's quite the thing and works just as he says. But I know very few people who are passionate, energetic and driven like that. Many more of us find a thing that works ok and we go with it. For those students, advising them as if they're going to drive themselves to a good outcome no matter what is a bad recipe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-44799953726966158212009-02-09T07:41:00.000-08:002009-02-09T07:41:00.000-08:00Dance, it may not be a profession in history, but ...Dance, it may not be a profession in history, but I think that's a great answer. I know that real historians despise the History Channel and the rest, but it seems to me that it may help people channel those desires into the kinds of things you're talking about--going to lectures, volunteering, and so on. History can be a passion without being a profession.<BR/><BR/>New Kid, that kind of advising is tough for the reasons you say. If only we could give them a clear path--but there isn't one.<BR/><BR/>meteechart, you're right:"All but a rare few young people have lives full of people who think they know what's best for them. They don't need another one." I think the frustration is that we think they want us to solve something for them. It's good to hear that you ignored the guidance counselor. That's sort of horrifying, to be told that you should ignore your passion for the next fifty years and put your real self on hold until then.<BR/><BR/>Bardiac, I think everyone would put good writing and critical thinking at the top of that list of skills.undinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05589384016564587214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-49454775527619959152009-02-08T07:51:00.000-08:002009-02-08T07:51:00.000-08:00We talk about this sort of thing a lot at my schoo...We talk about this sort of thing a lot at my school. The dean's a big fan of the AAC&U work on the values of a liberal arts education in teaching students all sorts of skills employers want. The key seems to be to help students develop those skills well, and then be able to talk about those skills in whatever fields they're looking at for jobs.Bardiachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11846065504793800266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-27543533203778915042009-02-08T07:04:00.000-08:002009-02-08T07:04:00.000-08:00Let me tell my story (please):The first time I eve...Let me tell my story (please):<BR/><BR/>The first time I ever met my high school guidance counselor was in the last semester of my senior year. "What are your plans?", he asked. I responded that I had been accepted to the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. "Oh, no, no. That's no good." He told me I should stay home, major in business, then do art when I retire.<BR/><BR/>Still to this day, I remember that guy as a total dick.<BR/><BR/>I've never been wealthy. I've weathered some tough times. But, I've seen and done some incredible things. My life didn't evolve much like I would have predicted when I was 18 (or 22), but I wouldn't trade it for anything. <BR/><BR/>If a professor had tried to steer me away from my passions, I would have ignored him/her just I had nearly every other adult I knew as a teenager. <BR/><BR/>My take is that it's much better for a professor to support students as they develop their dreams by sharing our knowledge and experience without telling them what they should do. All but a rare few young people have lives full of people who think they know what's best for them. They don't need another one.<BR/><BR/>Besides, if a student is energetic and driven, he/she will find a life is fulfilling to him/her, even in the likelihood that it doesn't go according to plan. That's why English majors end up doing cool things all over the place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-44979761999849516722009-02-08T06:05:00.000-08:002009-02-08T06:05:00.000-08:00This is exactly what always disconcerted me about ...This is exactly what always disconcerted me about trying to advise history majors - *I* went straight to grad school, what do I know about how they should get other jobs?? History is just like English, in that majors tend to go on to a wide eclectic range of jobs, acquired in very individual ways. It was tough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-78094170769094211972009-02-07T10:55:00.000-08:002009-02-07T10:55:00.000-08:00Well, one of the things I tell history students is...Well, one of the things I tell history students is that they can satisfy their desire to learn and do history without going to grad school--they can attend public lectures, work at a local museum/historical society, read a lot of books--and ask them whether that might be enough.<BR/><BR/>That's sort of the opposite of what you asked, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com