tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post7808904538117152866..comments2024-02-28T18:29:41.120-08:00Comments on Not of General Interest: Marc Nouri 's warning to ambitious, pathetic, "lonely and isolated" academics going up for full professorundinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05589384016564587214noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-24444972131632875422010-06-05T12:42:12.036-07:002010-06-05T12:42:12.036-07:00Dame Eleanor, that's been my experience, too, ...Dame Eleanor, that's been my experience, too, so I'm not sure where his animus is coming from. <br /><br />heu mihi--ha! "Deep breath, Nouri." I wish they'd run a column by someone else in his department explaining the situation there. <br /><br />Horace, I don't think anyone ever gives up a fraud complex (or an "I was just lucky" complex). I also wondered if this weren't part of something I see going on a lot in these bad economic times: an attempt to say "well, cut his salary, why don't you?" among those who aren't making very much to begin with--a "fight among ourselves" complex that disregards the huge fortunes being made by those at the top of whatever food chain we're a part of. <br /><br />Ink--exactly! Why the vitriol? I read in the Chronicle's forums that some people go up repeatedly, so it's not as though becoming full is like gaining tenure (once and out) at some places. <br /><br />BSG, would the people in your department ever want to have a discussion about the rapid promotion issue? It sounds as though the culture is disadvantaging people in the department by not allowing them to go up when apparently the university would have no problem with it (and I've been in departments where that was the norm, too).undinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05589384016564587214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-82009535017653229882010-06-04T16:22:31.195-07:002010-06-04T16:22:31.195-07:00I don't get Nouri's discourse about the &q...I don't get Nouri's discourse about the "Name" -- but there are a couple of valid points buried in his piece, IMO. I agree with him that there seems to be uncertainty about what being Full means and that, as a result, there is an unevenness to who goes up when and with what credentials. At Unnamed U., this has resulted in some faculty in some departments getting Full only 2-3 years after getting tenure (that doesn't seem right, does it? Even if they publish like mad?) whereas in English, the unspoken tradition is that profs labor for many, many years -- publishing steadily, doing huge amounts of service, and winning teaching awards -- before they would even think of coming up. This just doesn't jive. I confess to feeling a bit put out when I hear about such rapid promotion -- because it would never be allowed in my dept., even if I was that ambitious (which I'm not).The Bittersweet Girlhttp://bitternsweet.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-74565091346766094332010-06-04T08:58:03.555-07:002010-06-04T08:58:03.555-07:00That article is so bizarre! SO wondering what tha...That article is so bizarre! SO wondering what that guy's story is...did he go up for it and not get it? Otherwise, why the vitriol?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-84016146787640874692010-06-04T07:06:42.710-07:002010-06-04T07:06:42.710-07:00Silly, silly, silly. As if seeking more compensat...Silly, silly, silly. As if seeking more compensation in a profession that is already devalued along material lines is somehow a sell-out of the professional values of academia. (What's that Pierre Bourdieu? Something about dominated factions of the dominant class?)<br /><br />There's already enough mystification of true learnedness to fuel the fraud complexes of a million grad students, untenured, and recently tenured faculty members. Was there really any need to stoke the flames for full professors too, who have quite frankly usually earned a break from that particular anxiety.Horacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15662740021328265642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-60965803559415263652010-06-04T06:20:21.845-07:002010-06-04T06:20:21.845-07:00Good lord--that's one of the most ridiculous C...Good lord--that's one of the most ridiculous Chronicle articles I've read yet (and there have been some doozies). It sounds like he's got a particular person in mind, especially with those comments about how nobody likes those eager early birds and, my favorite, "Who do you think you are...?" Deep breath, Nouri. Wow.heu mihihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08529298049179816825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-37608188235732825312010-06-03T18:00:09.666-07:002010-06-03T18:00:09.666-07:00"at" a flagship; sorry."at" a flagship; sorry.Dame Eleanor Hullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06512884104691200975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22001031.post-46044108786739632332010-06-03T17:59:28.755-07:002010-06-03T17:59:28.755-07:00The people I know who went up (and got) full-profe...The people I know who went up (and got) full-professor status early are not only accomplished researchers but also very pleasant, friendly, out-going people. The pseudonymous byline says he's at "a large university," so maybe he's a flagship or somewhere rather different from my large regional uni. Or maybe he's the ambitious, pathetic, lonely and isolated one, and it makes him feel better to call the kettle black.Dame Eleanor Hullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06512884104691200975noreply@blogger.com